Transcripción de la entrevista / Interview’s transcription
David Smith: Good afternoon, continuing our interviews for the Isla Festival here, in the Cervantes Institute we are with the acclaimed Irish novelist and critic John Banville. John, you are very welcome here to the institute this afternoon
John Banville: Thank you
David Smith: You opened the Festival yesterday you gave a wonderful speech one of the images that you invoked in the speech is a memory that you had your first visit, to Spain. A man on a horse, such a clear Quixotic reference, such a clear Cervantes reference.
John Banville: Cliché is the word that you are looking for.
David Smith: I did like that you mentioned that you didn’t know whether it was a black horse with a white background, or vice versa..How do you see the image of Don Quijote as it travels through…
John Banville: Sancho Panza is my hero, I don’t care much for Don Quijote. Sancho Panza is wonderful. I mean he is every man, he is every man trailing behind a mad dreamer, you know. The world is full of us. And of course it´s, you know, it really is the first novel, I suppose. You could go back to Latin
times but I think Quijote is the first great work of fiction in certainly in the modern era.
David Smith: Joyce says,whimsically that it’s the first book that´s a little bit about itself.
John Banville:Yes that’s true I hadn’t heard that but yes that is true it is self-conscious, it is aware it is self-referential. I suppose it’s more modern than it seems in that aspect.
David Smith: Do you see it as a book that will continuously submit itself to the prevailing literary theories?
John Banville: Well I mean, I don’t know. When I was young I was a great one for theory but the older one gets the more theories fall away. You know, the academies must be supplied, they must keep working… Comparative literature… but the thing about Cervantes is that you know, it’s great popular
literature. Now, Nabokoff hated Don Quijote, he said, you know, only people who find people being sick in each others faces will find this book funny and to a certain extent I agree with him. There´s a raucousness about it that I’m not quite convinced by… So here I am in the Cervantes Institute criticizing Cervantes. Typical!
David Smith: As Don Quixote would do himself. And your prose, interesting that you mention Nabokoff here compares to that confessional narrative famous of Vladimir Nábokoff. Your prose which has this extremely rich poetic element, one of the elements that was discussed yesterday in the roundtable
the boundaries between poetry and prose to see those two territories as territories that cross over?
John Banville: Well my old friend John McGahern used to make a nice distinction. He said that ”There’s
verse, and there’s prose and then there’s poetry.” And poetry can happen in either medium. And I agree with him. One has to be very careful. Irish writers are in love with language, we roll in it like a pig rolling in mud. You know, flinging it in the air. So we have to be careful, we have to apply self-discipline. But I do try to make my books as demanding as a poem. W.H. Auden said that ”The poem is the only work of art that you either take or leave.” You know you look at a picture and your mind can wander to think what you going to have for dinner, you can listen to a symphony and think about your girlfriend or something but a poem you either read it or you don’t. And I try to make my prose the same level of density and I want to make it as demanding as poetry This puts a lot of people off by the way.
David Smith: Interesting. And Octavio Paz, by the way, the great Mexican poet has a very clear distinction
he says ”Poetry inspires,” It’s beautiful in Spanish, this is a shoddy translation that I’m doing. He says that ”Prose aspires to say something whereas poetry aspires to be something.”
John Banville: Yes, well I won’t try to blur that distinction my books you know, you don’t read them for the plot. If you do you’ll be greatly disappointed. You don’t read into the characters you
don’t read them for dialogue, there’s very little dialogue. You read them for something else, you read them for an intensification. I see my book says, like all works of art, as quickening the sense of life, the sense of being alive giving you an intensified sense of what it is to be human that’s when I aspire to do and I see no distinction between prose and poetry and that aspiration.
David Smith: When I heard I had this opportunity, I went digging through old books of yours that I haven’t read in years. I have underlined one line in particular that always struckme as a difficult line, from ‘Shroud’ ”I used piously to hope that they would not have suffered” He’s talking about his mother and his father ”But since then I’ve learnt about hope.”That always affected me, I always wonder whether that was a difficult line for you to write? Do you find yourself-ah?
John Banville: Oh, no I’m not involved in ita I’m not there it’s it’s entirely impersonal. The notion that writing is self-expression is a false notion. And when I stand up from my desk and I
finish my day’s work the person who did the writing ceases to exist. This is why when I meet admirers of my work at readings, they always see this, you know you can always see this disappointment only in their eyes I want to say to them the point is, you like the books, but I have nothing to do with the books. The person you are talking to has nothing to do with it. He sits at the desk and does the work. But when he stops he ceases to exist. This is a difficult concept because people imagine, especially people who aspire to be writers that they are themselves going to have an intensified sense of being alive. It doesn’t work that way. My writing doesn’t work for me.
David Smith: Have you done this through discipline or is that idea, not one John Banville but a multiplicity…
John Banville: Oh I think any any artist would have the same sense of disembodiment and Elliott himself said you know that ‘The man who suffers is not the artist to create immense suffering,’ in the general sense of course, being Elliot it’s got to be suffering but you know, I firmly believe that that’s something else happens. Time becomes strange when you’re working. I always give the example I was writing
one day years ago, my wife put her head in the door of my study and said ‘I’m going to the shops’ a moment later she put her head in again, I said ‘I thought you were going to the shops? She had been to the shops! And I had no sense that of that time that space having past, there’s nothing on the page even,So where was I in that period? And that’s the point of the kind of prose that I write, it’s extreme concentration. I concentrate. You know, mornings will pass by and I won’t write anything, I’mjust sitting there,you know, and I sink deeper and deeper and deeper into myself Or I lose myself- I’m lost in myself so that by three or four in the afternoon, when I’m really working John Banville ceases to exist.There’s somebody
else there doing this. I discover I use words that I don’t even know the meaning of. I’ll look them up and discovered that they’re the right words. And that happens increasingly nowadays My workaday memory is fading because I’m getting old, but my store of words is intact. The day that I can’t drag up a word from that store, I’ll know that I’m finished.
David Smith: Characters in your book seem to be based on real, on historical figures. What obligation to history do you feel as a writer when you create a character?
John Banville: Absolutely none. Zero. Novelists, artists, are cannibals. We will eat our own children to make a line, to make a corner of a painting or to make a piece of music. We are completely ruthless. But then again, as I say the citizen who goes in to my study and sits down ceases to exist, when I start writing. The artist is completely amoral. I have no interest in politics, the person who writes has no interest in politics, society, in morals, family anything except getting this done. It’s a completely ruthless process, and anybody who tell you otherwise is lying, or is a fool.
David Smith: I see you about town, time to time. Dublin. And my friend always comments on ‘John Banville, the great wearer of hats. ‘I wonder..forgive me for asking such a whimsical question. Somebody who’s so involved, who wrangles with notions of identity, notions of consciousness, are you- I love your shoes the way. Are you conscious of style? Do you follow fashion?
John Banville: No, I like shoes, I like hats, I’m human you know but.. No I’m not, I’m not. I mean, look at me, this is hardly fashionable.
David Smith: It’s autumnal.
John Banville: I’m always autumnal. High summer, I’m autumnal. This is my season, this is the season I love, this is when Ireland comes into it’s absolute best. I love the climate here anyway I could’nt live anywhere else. The only city that I’ve ever been in that I thought looked anything like Dublin and in terms of light, is Copenhagen. It has that silvery melancholy light at all times of the year. Very very beautiful.
David Smith: Style in your work, are you conscious of a signature? That certainly the world is
John Banville: No. For the most part I don’t know what I’m doing. I work in the darkness. I work in a personal darkness. I don’t know where I’m going or what I’m doing. I work by the sentence. Each sentence makes the next sentence and that sentence makes the next one. And I work on the principle that, if you look after the what is the phrase..If you look after the pennies, the pounds will look after themselves.If you look after the sentence then the book will get done eventually by itself, in some strange mysterious way that I don’t understand. When I was young I was very much, I thought that I was very much in control of everything You know, when I started a book I knew what the last line was going to be.. But as I got older, I allowed instinct to work. And also you know you imagine that with age will come wisdom. It doesn’t. all that comes with age is confusion. But confusion is good state for an artist to be in. Not knowing is better. I was always puzzled by I think that Elliott said, that T.S. Eliot said that the artist, it’s no business of the artist to think. I was always puzzled by this, and I still am to
a certain extent. I do see what he means, that you have to work by instinct, you have to work by passion.
But I am infected with the Bacillus of thinking. Thinking I like books where I can see evidence of a mind at work and I like my own books to be that as well. But it’s very difficult get thought into fiction. Difficult to get thought into art. I discovered that when I was writing my books on Copernicus and Kepler to put actual science into fiction, they just don’t fit together. They really do not fit.
David Smith: In terms of how people describe your work, Do you have a preferred adjective?
John Banville:Oh I don’t know because I don’t read reviews. I don’t read anything about myself so I don’t know what they say.
David Smith: Banvillian.
John Banville: Oh that’s nice, I’ll get into the Oxford Dictionary for you, probably.
David Smith: And my last questions, John, the quote that I took from ‘Shroud’ refers I think to the Nietzschean quote that you introduced the book with. The words themselves and just the words
that Nietzsche chooses in this case is, ‘I do suffer.’ That ´´words in general perhaps are on the horizons of our knowledge but not truths.´´ Is this what drives you, is this tendency towards a horizon? As I say, you get older you perhaps realise that things are more in the dark but that you
tend towards a horizon of meaning.
John Banville: That’s a good question. I strive to get to make my sentences as close to perfection as I can. I will never get perfection, you know, all works of art are failures. By necessity. Because they set
out to be perfect and perfection is not given to us. But that’s about the limit of what I do now, I try to make the sentences as good, and as rich and as poetic and as elusive as I can. And the rest takes care of itself, so. You know, in the early books, especially in the Copernicus and Kepler books, a long time ago. The strive towards knowledge, towards cognition is very evident in those books but since then, my writing career, such as it is, has been a flight from meaning, a flight from thought, a flight from cognition, into something else that I haven’t got a name for. Maybe that’s what I’m trying to do, maybe I’m trying to define what it is I’m trying to define.
David Smith: John thank you very much for joining us this
afternoon, I hope you enjoy the rest of the festival.
John Banville: Thank you.
Durante este fin de semana, hemos celebrado la segunda edición del Festival Isla de Literatura. Por segundo año consecutivo, Irlanda, Latinoamérica y España se encontraron en el Instituto Cervantes de Dublín para hablar de la literatura y sus alrededores.
Una vez más, queremos agradecer desde aquí el apoyo y la colaboración de instituciones como Dublin UNESCO City of Literature, Ireland Literature Exchange, el Instituto Vasco Etxepare, Poetry Ireland, y cómo no, a la inestimable aportación de Dublin City University, National University of Ireland in Galway, National University of Ireland in Maynooth. Trinity College Dublin, y University College Cork. Muchísimas gracias a todos ellos.
Como dijera Rosa León, directora del Instituto Cervantes de Dublín durante su discurso de inauguración, «tenía que ser aquí, en esta isla esmeralda, donde naciera y creciera nuestro festival, donde la semilla de nuestro esfuerzo diera sus frutos. En esta misma tierra donde tantos genios de la literatura cavaron antes con su pluma para fecundarla y enriquecerla, para hacerla abierta, acogedora y libre.
Porque la gran riqueza de Irlanda es su cultura y su maravillosa tradición literaria, y esa poderosa fuerza se da la mano aquí, en este festival, con la fuerza del español, con quinientos millones de seres humanos en cuatro continentes, con la segunda lengua de comunicación a nivel internacional».
Rosa León recordó también las hermosas palabras del presidente Michael D. Higgins durante su discurso en 2012 y, como no, tuvo de palabras de cariño y reconocimiento hacia Seamus Heaney, cuya presencia estaba prevista en el festival desde antes del verano. Sus poemas, los mismos que él había elegido para su lectura durante el Festival Isla, se hicieron presentes en la sala gracias a la voz del actor irlandés Tom Hickey.
Finalmente, Rosa León cedió la palabra a otro gran amigo de Seamus y del propio Instituto Cervantes, el gran escritor irlandés John Banville, que «de forma amabilísima y desinteresadamente atendió la llamada del Instituto Cervantes para cubrir la ausencia de Seamus Heaney».
John Banville, en su intervención, recordó la impresión que le había causado, en su primera visita a España, un hombre a caballo en la isla de Mallorca. También recordó su visita a América del Sur para visitar la casa de la madre de Thomas Mann y nos hizo reflexionar, de este modo, sobre la universalidad de la literatura. Muchísimas gracias, John, por tu generosidad.
Esperamos que todos hayais disfrutado del Festival y esperamos también recibir vuestras sugerencias y aportaciones, para mejorar en lo que sea posible en la edición del Festival Isla de 2014 que hoy mismo comenzamos a preparar.
Las fotos del festival están ya disponibles en nuestra página de Facebook.
Los vídeos del Festival estarán muy pronto disponibles en nuestro canal de Youtube.
During last weekend , we celebrated the 2nd Isla Literary Festival . For the second year in a row , Ireland , Latin America and Spain joined at the Instituto Cervantes in Dublin to talk about literature and its surroundings.
Once again , we thank the support and collaboration of institutions such as Dublin UNESCO City of Literature, Ireland Literature Exchange , Instituto Vasco Etxepare, Poetry Ireland, and of course, the invaluable contribution of Dublin City University, National University of Ireland in Galway, National University of Ireland in Maynooth, Trinity College Dublin, and University College Cork. Many thanks to all of them.
As Rosa Leon, director of Instituto Cervantes in Dublin, said during her speech , “our Festival had to be born in here , in the Emeral Isle. On this same land where many geniuses of literature dug with their pens to fertilize and to enrich it , to make it an open land, free and welcoming.
Because the rich of Ireland is its culture and its wonderful literary tradition, and that powerful force joins hands here, in this festival, with the strength of the Spanish language, with half a billion of human beings on four continents , with the second language of international communication.”
Rosa Leon recalled as well the beautiful words of President Michael D. Higgins during his speech in 2012 and she had words of love and gratitude to Seamus Heaney, whose presence was expected at the Festival since before summer . His poems , the same poems he had chosen for reading during the Isla Festival, were present in the official opening thanks to the voice of the Irish actor Tom Hickey.
Finally , Rosa León gave the floor to another great friend of Seamus and Instituto Cervantes , the great Irish writer John Banville , who “so lovable and unselfishly answered our call to cover the absence of Seamus Heaney.”
John Banville recalled the impression that a man riding a horse in Mallorca made on him during his first visit to Spain. He also mentioned his trip to South America, to visit the house of Thomas Mann‘s mother and, in this way, he made us reflect on the universality of literature. Thank you , John , for your generosity .
We hope you all have enjoyed the Festival as much as we did, and we look forward to receiving your suggestions and contributions to improve, as best as we can, the 3rd edition of our Isla Festival that we start preparing today.
The photos of the Isla Festival 2013 are now available on our Facebook page .
The videos of the interviews we prepare will soon be available on our YouTube channel.
Writers John Banville and Enrique Vila- Matas presented last Friday the Isla Festival of Literature at the Instituto Cervantes in Madrid , an event that will gather in Dublin 16 writers from Spain , Ireland and Latin America .
The second edition of this festival will be held from the 18th to the 20th October at the Instituto Cervantes in Dublin. Spanish and Latin American literature will be very well represented in Ireland along with the best Irish literature through panel discussions and readings.
As already announced in previous posts on this blog , in the Festival Isla (ISLA is the acronym for Irish Spanish and Latin American) , will participate authors from Argentina , Chile , Cuba , Mexico , Spain and Ireland.
Durin the presentation in Madrid, John Banville recalled the impression of reading in his youth One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel García Márquez , and other Spanish authors , and regretted the lack of presence of Hispanic literature in Ireland. Meanwhile, Enrique Vila- Matas , author of Dublinesca (2010 ) , defined himself as a “literary traveler” who has visited Dublin compulsively (16 times in four years) .
Los escritores John Banville y Enrique Vila-Matas presentaron el pasado viernes en el Instituto Cervantes de Madrid el Festival Isla de Literatura, una cita que reunirá en Dublín a 16 escritores de España, Irlanda y Latinoamérica.
La segunda edición de este festival se celebrará, como sabéis, del 18 al 20 de octubre. A través de mesas redondas y lecturas, la literatura española e hispanoamericana estará presente en Irlanda junto a la mejor literatura irlandesa del momento.
Como ya hemos anunciado en anteriores entradas de este blog, participarán en el Festival Isla (Irish Spanish Latin American Literary Festival), autores provenientes de Argentina, Chile, Cuba, México, España e Irlanda.
En su presentación en Madrid, además de los ya mencionados John Banville y Enrique Vila-Matas, estuvieron presentes los embajadores en Irlanda de Argentina, Chile, México y, cómo no, el embajador de España en Irlanda, Javier Garrigues Flórez.
Banville recordó en su intervención la impresión que le produjo en su juventud la lectura de Cien años de soledad, de Gabriel García Márquez, y de otros autores en español, y ha lamentado la escasa presencia actual de la literatura hispana en su país. Por su parte, Enrique Vila-Matas, autor de Dublinesca (2010), se ha definido como un «viajero literario» que ha visitado «compulsivamente» Dublín (16 veces en cuatro años). Será precisamente sobre los viajes literarios de lo que hablará en ISLA dentro de unos días.
The great Irish writer John Banville opens our Isla Literature Festival on 18th October. On this occasion, he visits on Friday, October 4th, the Instituto Cervantes in Madrid and participates in the cycle of “Encuentros en el Cervantes”, a conversation that will inquire into his biography and his literary work.
John Banville (Wexford, Ireland, 1945) has received numerous awards, like the prestigious Booker Prize for his novel The Sea in 2005. Under the pseudonym Benjamin Black, he has written a series of highly successful crime novels.
As usual, the public attending the meetings may be part of the conversation. You can participate sending your questions to @InstCervantes with the hashtag #EncuentrosCervantes. You can send them as well through the page of Culture of the newspaper El País.
The “Encuentros” may be followed live through the website of the Instituto Cervantes and El País.
El gran escritor irlandés John Banville abrirá nuestro Festival Isla de Literatura el próximo 18 de octubre. Con este motivo, visitará el próximo viernes, día 4 de octubre, el Instituto Cervantes de Madrid y participará en el ciclo de Encuentros en el Cervantes, una conversación que indagará en su perfil biográfico y creativo.
John Banville (Wexford, Irlanda, 1945) ha recibido numerosos galardones, entre los que destaca el prestigioso Booker Prize, por su novela El mar en 2005. Bajo el seudónimo de Benjamin Black ha escrito un ciclo de novelas negras de gran éxito, ambientadas en el Dublín de los años 50 y protagonizadas por el patólogo forense Quirke.
Como es habitual, el público asistente a los Encuentros podrá formar parte de la conversación planteando sus preguntas al invitado. Además, se podrá participar a través de la cuenta de Twitter del Instituto Cervantes (@InstCervantes), con la etiqueta #EncuentrosCervantes, y a través de la página de Cultura del diario El País.
Los «Encuentros» podrán seguirse en directo a través de la página web del Instituto y en la página de Cultura del diario El País.
“Dublin and other Cities of Literature” is the title of the second round-table discussion in our Isla Literary Festival 2013. With John Banville, Eileen Battersby and Enrique Vila-Matas, we will travel from 1950s Dublin, reflected in Benjamin Black´s Vengeance to the modern-day Dublin of Enrique Vila-Matas and Dublinesca, through cosmopolitan landscapes, remote in space and time, inhabited by the characters of John Banville.
Uno de los platos fuertes de nuestro Festival Isla 2013 será sin duda la mesa redonda protagonizada por John Banville, Eileen Battersby y Enrique Vila-Matas. Con ellos viajaremos desde el Dublín de los años 50, que aparece reflejado en Venganza, de Benjamin Black, hasta el Dublín moderno de Enrique Vila-Matas y su Dublinesca, pasando por los paisajes cosmopolitas, distantes en el espacio y en el tiempo, habitados por los personajes de John Banville.